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Post by Lynjabear Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:34 pm

We've all waited for it...Or dreaded it. But we knew it was going to happen...

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I'm legal now!
Like it or not, the Nintendogods have unleashed the mighty Genesect into the world of competitive battling! Legal for the first time, Genesect could be a mighty force to reckon with in OU. Or he couldn't. Known as one of the premier scarfers in DW, Genesect's amazing typing and awesome mixed attacking stats set him apart as a superb choicer.

Ability - Download (raises attack or special attack on switch in)

Stats - 71 HP / 120 Atk / 95 Def / 120 SpA / 95 SpD / 99 Spe

Discuss Genesect's impact in OU, and possible movesets/roles in competitive battling!
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Post by buckthefuffalo Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:42 pm

Coverage, a free potential Sp. Atk boost, and being a good scarfer will make him OU. No question about it.
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Post by Frashu Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:46 pm

My favorite thing about Genesect is that he can counter the counter to steel types. (Magnezone)
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Post by Evan Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:45 am

Premier Scarfer.

But any base 100 beats it.
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Post by Aaron Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:53 am

It's a miserable creature. Great typing, but walled by pretty much every wall. Oh look! A Chansey! Oh look! A Blissey! Oh look! A Magikarp!

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Post by Frashu Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:03 pm

Korasi wrote:It's a miserable creature. Great typing, but walled by pretty much every wall. Oh look! A Chansey! Oh look! A Blissey! Oh look! A Magikarp!


download u-turn with 0 investment.

Blissey doesn't like that.
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Post by Aaron Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:10 pm

It does like 45%, I think. Now, if you predict the switch, you can get off a T-Wave or another status. Free Softboiled on the switch.
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Post by Lynjabear Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:16 am

"free" softboiled means that you are now facing one of Genesect's teammates, one of which is likely specifically made to counter blissey. That free softboiled has you looking down the barrel of Lucario's CC when genesect U-turns out.
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Post by Aaron Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:11 am

I don't recall ever meeting a team whose sole purpose was to counter a Blissey.
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Post by WINTERFRESH Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:22 pm

Korasi wrote:I don't recall ever meeting a team whose sole purpose was to counter a Blissey.

"Stomping Skarmbliss"
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Post by Frashu Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:31 pm

Korasi wrote:I don't recall ever meeting a team whose sole purpose was to counter a Blissey.

Let's use our imaginashunn.


"Turn 1 Genesect vs Ferrothorn

Ferrothorn switches into Blissey predicting fire move


Genesect does U-Turn dealing 45% to Blissey

Genesect U-Turns into Lucario"

Genesect can't be walled because it can just U-Turn out into a counter. With Genesects amazing coverage, anything that Genesect can't hurt easily can be U-Turned into something that can hurt it. (Heatran, Blissey, etc.)
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Post by buckthefuffalo Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:23 pm

Korasi wrote:I don't recall ever meeting a team whose sole purpose was to counter a Blissey.

Even with the lowered usage of Conkeldurr, having a fighting type or something that can physically hit Normals for 2x today is a given on almost any team.
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Post by Aaron Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:29 pm

But that is for more common threats, surely. It does help to be able to counter Blissey. However, Terrakion and other threats are the ones that are typically sought to be countered.
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Post by Lynjabear Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:42 pm

I didn't say for the whole team to be made to counter bliss. Just that one pokemon, say terrakion/lucario/other fighting type.

Genesect might get banned, on second thought. He's essentially uncounterable. The only thing that will work is revengekilling, and even then, the genesect user could simply predict the fire move and switch to a flash fire user/resistor and lol as you are forced to switch again (noting unboosted really outruns the scarf set).
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Post by Aaron Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:13 am

It gets walled by Heatran. Flamethrower, Bug Buzz, U-turn, Ice Beam... each is ineffective. Only Thunderbolt (racking up a measly 32%) can do any real damage. If it runs EQ, which is unusual, then Heatran is no problem. But that's just an example. Not even accounting for Chandelure.
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Post by buckthefuffalo Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:20 am

It definitely doesn't need to be banned. I used it myself in DW, and what Kor said is right, Heatran walls it. Because it's going to be Scarfed 99% of the time, it will have nice speed if the opponent isn't scarfed and awesome special attack (especially if it gets the right DL), but the cost of being locked into one move is incredibly detrimental. Not to mention it's very predictable since only one set with maybe one or two variations really works for it. Just switch in predicting the appropriate SE attack, and you've got at least one free turn to do whatever you want. Most of the time people won't be ballsy or smart enough to predict the switch ahead of time and hit the new switched in Pokemon with a different move for SE, but even if they do, you can just bring in something to resist it and you're at the same situation.

The only time that wouldn't happen is if you used U-Turn before getting locked into something, which won't happen most of the time since most people will just go for a kill. Plus it's not always safe to U-Turn anyway.
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Post by Lynjabear Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:48 pm

Chandy's 2hko'd by Tbolt. Although he's walled by heatran, he can just switch out and come back later.
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Post by Aaron Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:26 pm

But that's a wasted turn. And if they have hazards, that's wasted HP. In addition, T-Bolt does about 66-67% on Chandelure in my experience. But it won't matter if Genesect is locked in to Flamethrower. Even if it is using T-Bolt, Chandelure comes in and revenge kills the shit out of it.
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Post by Frashu Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:27 pm

Korasi wrote:But that's a wasted turn. And if they have hazards, that's wasted HP. In addition, T-Bolt does about 66-67% on Chandelure in my experience. But it won't matter if Genesect is locked in to Flamethrower. Even if it is using T-Bolt, Chandelure comes in and revenge kills the shit out of it.

To be fair I think the easiest way to beat a Genesect is to force it out on a Heatran and force residual damage.
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Post by Aaron Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:10 pm

Pretty much. Or to pop a Reshiram. Which walls it completely.
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Post by Lynjabear Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:12 am

I think the best way to deal with it is in a revenge-kill. Use fast scarfers able to 0hko it, and use SR.
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Post by WINTERFRESH Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:55 pm

WOW who voted for ubers? Like seriously who would do that? Were they even thinking? .-.
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Post by Aaron Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:03 pm

I know, right? It honestly has no place in Ubers. It IS a Steel, and it DOES have decent strength, but it is a little squishy. Especially with Dragons running around.
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Post by Frashu Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:42 pm

Are you questioning my opinion?
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Post by buckthefuffalo Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:37 pm

Flash wrote:Are you questioning my opinion?

My opinion>Your opinion

Deal with it.
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