Grey Cataclysm- An OU RMT

Flash wrote:I'll start off my criticism by stating a few words:

Do not make an anti-meta team. They do not work. You cannot counter the entire meta with 6 Pokemon. Making Pokemon who beat other Pokemon you meet is not as effective as making Pokemon that make it hard for them to counter. Trust me, I made more than 30 anti-meta teams and ended up figuring out that none of them work or give me consistent win rates. Why? Because it's impossible to do so.

Even thought you DO resist every type in the game effectively, you have a few problems with common Wall Breakers and Set-up sweepers.


I will update this later since I'm tireeeee.

Lucario : Although you have Pokemon that can kill it, it outspeeds you're entire team except Mienshao who is frail and dies to LO Extremespeed. Effectively a Close Combat, Ice Punch, Extremespeed, SD set will cause some havoc to your team.

Lati@s: They outspeed your team and can just Draco Meteor the moment their sent out, killing one person every time if specs. Magnezone would normally be the solution to this, but with no recovery he will eventually die.

I'll be testing this team on PS and update again laterr.

Korasi wrote:
I was 6-1 on PO yesterday, Wi-Fi OU BW2. It solves pretty much everything except for some variants of Sun teams.

Lynjabear wrote:

Korasi wrote:
I was 6-1 on PO yesterday, Wi-Fi OU BW2. It solves pretty much everything except for some variants of Sun teams.

6-1 means very little. Starting out, it's easy to win 20 or 30 matches in a row only to go on a mass losing streak once you start reaching the high 1300's where the more experienced players dwell.

As for the team, it doesn't look too bad. However, the main issue I see is lack of support, as this is a more stall/defensively oriented team. You don't have a spinner, and it's absolutely imperative to carry one with dragonite, or at least have some sort of prevention (fast taunt, magic bounce) to prevent multi-scale from breaking.

I agree with Flash in some cases. Because of Gastrodoon's lack of Special Defense investment, Specs Draco Meteor will hurt a lot. Magnezone does resist it, but the Latios user will just withdraw and then come back, or worse, predict the switch in, and 2hko you with HP fire.

Lucario I agree with wholeheartedly. Once it sets up, you don't even have a pokemon that can revenge-kill it, as Gliscor falls to a well-timed ice punch. However, Lucario's ability to setup is a little dubious considering most of your team members can 0hko the steel jackal. Should he set up, though, your team is in for a world of pain.

However, my observations can't be too accurate until I've tried it out. I will go on PO and test it ASAP.

Flash wrote:^ I agree with Gastrodon being dead weight as hell.


Well I didn't realize this until I fought a Mixtar who did 37% of damage with Crunch with little investment, Gastrodon did 27% to it.


I'd seriously recommend either packing defensive or special defensive EVs, because he seems to be your only source of defense to rain.

Latios does however 2hko on your entire team, so perhaps a Blissey/Pursuit user can help against him. Tyranitar I feel will be good for canceling out weather (For sun teams you said) and can beat Latios 1 on 1 unless you switch him in on a Specs Surf.

Qualna wrote:

Flash wrote:^ I agree with Gastrodon being dead weight as hell.


Well I didn't realize this until I fought a Mixtar who did 37% of damage with Crunch with little investment, Gastrodon did 27% to it.


I'd seriously recommend either packing defensive or special defensive EVs, because he seems to be your only source of defense to rain.

Latios does however 2hko on your entire team, so perhaps a Blissey/Pursuit user can help against him. Tyranitar I feel will be good for canceling out weather (For sun teams you said) and can beat Latios 1 on 1 unless you switch him in on a Specs Surf.

What you're forgetting is that Gastrodon has Recover, giving it major staying power, you're forgetting that if a burn can be achieved on Tyranitar, the battle immediately tips in Gastrodon's favor.

Qualna wrote:

Flash wrote:^ I agree with Gastrodon being dead weight as hell.


Well I didn't realize this until I fought a Mixtar who did 37% of damage with Crunch with little investment, Gastrodon did 27% to it.


I'd seriously recommend either packing defensive or special defensive EVs, because he seems to be your only source of defense to rain.

Latios does however 2hko on your entire team, so perhaps a Blissey/Pursuit user can help against him. Tyranitar I feel will be good for canceling out weather (For sun teams you said) and can beat Latios 1 on 1 unless you switch him in on a Specs Surf.

What you're forgetting is that Gastrodon has Recover, giving it major staying power, you're forgetting that if a burn can be achieved on Tyranitar, the battle immediately tips in Gastrodon's favor.

Lynjabear wrote:The immunity to leech seed isn't very important because of the item change to magnezone. WIth Specs, Magnezone 0hko's Ferro 100% of the time with HP fire meaning that Magnezone can switch in, take a leech seed, and then kill ferro easily with HP fire.

Adding taunt and possibly SD to Gliscor would make him into a stallbreaker.

Evan wrote:Also, while being a very defensively intended team, you don't have anything to really take advantage of the fact that you're generally trying to draw out turns. You have no Poison, no phasing, so unless you're goal is to counter everything you possibly can while taking entry hazard damage constantly so you can get Dragonite out to TRY to sweep, you could be in a bit of trouble.